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 Wednesday, November 21, 2007
IS THERE SUCH THING AS A THIRD-PARTY AUTHENTICATOR?
Posted by Chris

beatles.jpegPeople seem to bash authenticators all the time. It almost seems unfair sometimes that these “experts” are constantly targets of controversy, criticism and negativity. Why is this?

-Jealousy: Some collectors simply may be jealous or think they could do a better job that the actual “authenticator.” They think that they have as much knowledge as these guys, and in some cases that is true.

-Trapped: Some dealers and authenticators feel trapped by the whole idea of authenticators, because if an item doesn’t have one of those precious little COAs, you probably aren’t going to be able to sell it for what it’s worth. Even of you don’t believe in authenticators, you are basically forced into using one because you want to maximize your item’s realized value.

-Frustration: One of my personal frustrations with authenticators is that I don’t think that everyone who is labeled as an “authenticator,” is totally qualified for that position.
Some of these guys pawn themselves off as authenticators of everything. I am sorry, but I don’t think an expert can have the breadth of knowledge to properly authenticate everything. I am in favor of “niche” authenticators … Guys who are experts in a particular field. Frank Ciazzo is a great example of a niche authenticator. He is the world’s most notable Beatles signature expert and really knows what he is doing. Throw a Joe Montana in front of Frank and he probaby has no clue, but he doesn't claim.

-Delivery on certificates:  “CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY” If you see that title on the top of a piece of paper, what are you going to think it means? I think that that particular title suggests the piece being examined was deemed 100 percent authentic.
In my opinion, there is no third-party expert in the world that can deem a piece (game-used memorabilia and autographs) 100 percent authentic.
I also don’t think it is totally fair that an authenticator would use this title.
Upper Deck Authenticated, Steiner and Mounted Memories should be able to issue certs with that particular label because they actually have a system in place that makes sure the signature is authentic, plus a representative from their company is on hand at a signing.
Even if a third-party authenticator is as knowledgeable as they come, they are still giving you an educated “opinion.” Hence, they should be issuing “Certificate’s of Opinions,” or something to that nature.

Does anybody want to chime in on this?

Beatles image courtesy of Heritage Galleries




11/21/2007 11:20:58 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)  #  Comments [2]
11/22/2007 8:18:18 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
Authenticators are the targets of criticism, controversy and negativity. Why are they there in the first place? They are providing a service to weed out problems. Just like the police, who often face the same problems of public perception. It is a service that arose to regulate crooks and forgers. Their job entails dancing through a minefield of signatures armed with accumulated working knowledge and hopefully, a solid exemplar and data file. They are humans and humans make errors. They are trusted and people are disappointed and upset when they make mistakes. There are also some collectors that have had some rejections through an authentication company and then bad mouth them until the cows come home. Autographs are big business, big money, and this brings out crooks. To be successful, crooks have to successfully undermine and outmaneuver the authenticators. You can never eliminate forgeries but you can try to contain them(yes, like the game plan to defense Barry Sanders).

The "I know better than anybody" philosophy does exist among some collectors. As you mention, they sometimes do know better. Collectors are probably pretty brave when voicing their opinion because they do not have money riding on their voiced opinion. The authenticators whole business survival is based on their credibilty.

I do some selling on EBAY and give COA's if requested by customers. Most of my collection is from in person signings. I tell people that the authenicity is good for the lifetime of the autograph. Afterall, if it's good today, it's good tomarrow, I put my name and money behind it.

What do I think of COA's? Not much. I do not look for them and they do not alter the price I am willing to pay for a "non authenticated" item.

When I look for an autograph, I look for the quality of the signature and the condition of the item signed(oddball items are a bonus).

Say company "z's" authentication sticker on an item is in vogue now and these items sell for a premium as a result. Five years down the road, company "z" has a scandal and goes out of business. Those authenticated items could see a drop in value as a result. I would not like the value of my items to be susceptible to fluctuating due to an authentication companies future success. Investment companies often say that "past performance does not guarantee future results".

Keep it real and report fake autographs when able. Hobby discussion of questionable autographs is also beneficial. Good authenticators are open minded and listen to these debates.




Dave
12/2/2007 1:51:47 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
Well, I for one will only buy (or sell) autographed merchandise from a handful of companies - Steiner, UDA, All About Autographs...

I trust these companies and I feel that dealing with them is the next best thing to getting the signature myself. Am I susceptible if Steiner is exposed as having 30 small children in a signature sweatshop in their basement? Probably - however, I still prefer those odds to buying from some yahoo selling an autographed Jeter jersey for $100 on eBay.

As consumers we should do everything we can to ensure that we only give our business to reputable sellers, only sell authentic items and report fraudsters.

The crooks are just too good for most of us to judge a fake from the real thing; on items of deceased players we must be EXTRA careful and this is where an autheticator can help approximate if something is legitimate or not - they CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT guarantee anything.

Be smart - if it sounds too good to be true - it is. Even on eBay - even if the guy has a 100% positive rating on 20,000 transactions. Look around, compare, read and learn all you can about the business - the time spent can save you a lot of headaches - and MONEY!

Peace,
ADam
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